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Jonathan Volzke
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Joined: 13/July/2006 Location: United States Posts: 20 |
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Topic: Private BriefingsPosted: 13/July/2006 at 3:36am |
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The city manager in San Juan Capistrano regularly meets one-on-one with council members. I suspect he's briefing them on things going in town, and through that, decisions are being made. For example, there was talk of a new City Hall project. The last time it surfaced publicly, the council was approving a space-allocation study to see how big it would need to be. The study must be done, but it's not been back for public discussion. I suspect council saw the numbers in the private briefing and is keeping it under ground to avoid political fallout. Issues like this come up again and again. A new interchange is being considered in town, and it might wipe out the oldest elementary school in town. That was never publicly discussed, although the city went as far as to ask the school district to draw up plans for a new school in alternate locations. I'm sure the council was briefed on it -- but privately -- even while other interchange impacts were discussed publicly. (I reported that story after a public records request turned up the architectual drawings). Our city does not have regular council study sessions, only regular meetings twice monthly. I assume the manager also briefs council members on issues coming on up agendas and suspect feedback from the private briefings helps shape what's brought forth publicly. Do other city managers do regular private briefings with their elected officials?
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Jonathan Volzke
The Capistrano Dispatch jvolzke@thecapistranodispatch.com |
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marsea
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Joined: 15/July/2006 Posts: 8 |
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Posted: 15/July/2006 at 4:52am |
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Just to your north in Laguna Beach it is our suspicion, and we have lots of that going on around here do the absence of true watchdog local media, that the city manager not only conducts meetings with council members but among the 6 of them they do most city business behind closed doors and the regular council meetings are more for show than anything else. The bulk of city council meetings in Laguna Beach is taken up addressing such issues as view equity and whether or not someone should be allowed to have an asphalt or concrete driveway. |
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JackO
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Joined: 13/July/2006 Location: United States Posts: 126 |
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Posted: 15/July/2006 at 10:42am |
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Johnathon, make yourself unpopular and file a public records request for all notes, memoranda, and written information that was provided to the council members by the city manager. Also request the emails and written records maintained by the manage and the City Council Members.
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always and forever the same, correct in all things, erroneous in none, but humble
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amc3644
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Joined: 22/July/2006 Location: United States Posts: 28 |
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Posted: 24/July/2006 at 6:49am |
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Jonathan, As Jack O stated ask for the information. However, if you have a cm as my city, you'll not get the correct info. or you'll get just what they want you to see, claiming there's no more info. Our cm has been before the grand jury for giving me a bogus contract, then months later, those involved, produced a contract that had correct signatures. When asked by da how this was, I was stuped. Months later found out he was in business with one of the questionable signatures. He has since recently given me documents claiming there were no others and within 1 week, had the ones I had requested at the council meeting, I am a council member. This is constant, da and city attorney is aware and still nothing is being done. Good Luck my friend. |
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Jonathan Volzke
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Joined: 13/July/2006 Location: United States Posts: 20 |
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Posted: 24/July/2006 at 6:59am |
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Thanks everyone -- No agendas, no minutes. The City Manager already told me he's stopping putting things in writing because of my frequent (and frequently annoying to them) public records requests. |
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Jonathan Volzke
The Capistrano Dispatch jvolzke@thecapistranodispatch.com |
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marsea
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Joined: 15/July/2006 Posts: 8 |
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Posted: 24/July/2006 at 7:16am |
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Jonathon, At least your trying. I don't believe local papers here are interested in watchdogging anyone. Two of the main characters on the local journalism stage seem more interested in covering behinds rather than exposing them. maryd |
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Terry Francke
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General Counsel, CalAware Joined: 08/July/2006 Posts: 268 |
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Posted: 25/July/2006 at 4:51am |
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I've seen no surveys but suspect these one-on-one serial briefings are
quite common. Whether they violate the Brown Act depends on what is said in them. They could easily be a mechanism for routine achievement of backstage consensus. A few years ago a councilmember in Ontario seemed to publicly admit as much, as I recall. Paul Neifert can refresh my memory. In any event, here's what the AG says on page 12 of his guidebook to the Brown Act (download at http://caag.state.ca.us/ publications/brownAct2003.pdf): "Problems arise when systematic communications begin to occur which involve members of the board acquiring substantive information for an upcoming meeting or engaging in debate, discussion, lobbying or any other aspect of the deliberative process either among themselves or with staff. For example, executive officers may wish to brief their members on policy decisions and background events concerning proposed agenda items. This office believes that a court could determine that such communications violate the Act, because such discussions are part of the deliberative process. If these communications are permitted to occur in private, a large part of the process by which members reach their decisions may have occurred outside the public eye. Under these circumstances, the public would be able only to witness a shorthand version of the deliberative process, and its ability to monitor and contribute to the decision-making process would be curtailed. Therefore, we recommend that when the executive director is faced with this situation, he or she prepare a memorandum outlining the issues for all of the members of the board as well as the public. In this way, the serial meeting violation may be avoided and everyone will have the benefit of reacting to the same information." One thing is certain, and that is this time-wasteful practice (five briefings instead of one presentation) enables and invites, if it does not always constitute, a manipulation and deception of both the body and the public, because the executive(s) doing the briefings can tell five different stories about a proposal responsive to the distinctive known leanings of each of the members. The public never hears the rationale, and the members can never be sure they're hearing what their colleagues have. But operating this way cleverly plays into the members' insecurity about being the least informed member of the panel when public discussion comes up, of asking stupid questions, etc. Only members secure in their own competence and independence are hardy enough to say, in public, "I may or may not understand this, but I'm sure there are people in the community who are asking . . .etc." Personally, I think a central component of the duty of a government body's members' is precisely to ask the stupid questions on behalf of those who elected them, and to do so publicly. If they're not prepared to do that, what are they warming the seat for? Any first five people off the street can sit through secret briefings and vote the way management wants—no (public) questions asked. Edited by Terry Francke - 25/July/2006 at 4:57am |
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marsea
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Joined: 15/July/2006 Posts: 8 |
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Posted: 25/July/2006 at 6:12am |
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Thank you for your response. Those of us living in these connect-the-dots cities are subjected to a form of hazing since even as we are busily connecting dots those with control of the dots are just as busily rearranging them. What also happens here, I believe, is that people become focused on product/outcomes rather than process. This separates groups into winners and losers without realizing that when the process of decision making is so deeply flawed, no outcome is a good one and everyone is a loser except the people in decision-making positions. I believe the Laguna Beach city manager/city council deliberated in private regarding the day worker center to protect two of the five council members from public scrutiny since their positions run counter to the majority sentiment in the city on an issue about which people have rather strong feelings. |
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Terry Francke
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General Counsel, CalAware Joined: 08/July/2006 Posts: 268 |
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Posted: 25/July/2006 at 9:31am |
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Very perceptive point you make:
"(P)eople become focused on product/outcomes rather than process. This separates groups into winners and losers without realizing that when the process of decision making is so deeply flawed, no outcome is a good one and everyone is a loser except the people in decision-making positions." Self-serving secrecy, manipulation, misdirection, disinformation and outright lies may contribute to a result you like today, but your acceptance of these means as legitimate will guarantee their use against you tomorrow. |
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Ourania
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Joined: 19/July/2006 Location: United States Posts: 13 |
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Posted: 27/November/2006 at 9:58am |
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In our city the City Attorney and the Mayor met regularly with individual council members. (The city attorney would take them out to dinner.) When I found the date of one of those meetings I e-mailed our District Attorney and asked him to investigate. I was planning to go to the restaurant the night of their dinner meeting and ask to be sited in a table next to them. However, I learned that the meeting was canceled and all future dinner meetings between the city attorney, the mayor and individual council members were called off. |
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Terry Francke
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General Counsel, CalAware Joined: 08/July/2006 Posts: 268 |
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Posted: 27/November/2006 at 10:33am |
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A recent decision from the Court of Appeal finds that routine city manager
briefings of individual council members does not per se violate the Brown Act, since it remains to be proven that this process results in a "collective concurrence" among the members as to action to be taken or not taken. See Wolfe v. City of Fremont, http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/A112386.PDF |
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JackO
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Joined: 13/July/2006 Location: United States Posts: 126 |
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Posted: 02/December/2006 at 1:07pm |
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Hey, that was interesting. Wonder how the case will come out against the city council members. I found it an interesting discussion of the Brown Act.
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always and forever the same, correct in all things, erroneous in none, but humble
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pmarlene
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Joined: 14/February/2008 Location: United States Posts: 21 |
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Posted: 28/April/2008 at 4:55am |
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Hello Everyone, I am a new member and need some help from a Watchdog in my region which is 3 and involves the school board in Rancho Cucamonga. Public Records violations. Is there someone whom I might be able to contact for some direction as how to handle the situation as for me it is impeding my ability to get my work done? Thanks, |
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crispe
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Joined: 04/June/2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 20 |
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Posted: 06/June/2009 at 5:57am |
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To me, it would seem our California Open Records Act is ineffective if these government agencies can hide records they don't want us to see and there is no penalty for them doing so.
Is there other laws that will punish them? |
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Marcy Ganz
pr(at)crispe.org CRISPE San Diego, CA http://www.crispe.org http://crispe.org/blog http://crispe.org/forum http://myspace.com/crispeinfo http://profile.to/crispe http://groups.to/cris |
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PeterAttwood
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Joined: 03/January/2009 Location: Chino Posts: 4 |
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Posted: 21/July/2009 at 6:14pm |
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Another area that seems overlooked here is school districts hiding student records from parents. We need student records for the same reason we need public records, because school districts would not abuse and often traumatize kids if they knew the paperwork could be trusted to come out. Is there any interest in Cal Aware in this question?
My school district is Chino Valley Unified, much in the news lately. My own experience is at
www.peterattwood.net
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pmarlene
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Joined: 14/February/2008 Location: United States Posts: 21 |
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Posted: 21/July/2009 at 6:58pm |
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I would like to tell you what I know as an ex-school board member regarding student records.
First, you should have been given a packet at the beginnng of each school year that will include the policies on student records. Those policies are mandated by the state and the individual school district cannot alter those policies to suit their purposes. The policies will tell you which records are available and not all will be. However, knowing what your rights are is the first thing you need to know. Follow the procedures that are outlined for making a records request. If you do all that you are required to do and are not provided with what you have legally requested, there are procedures that you have to follow...follow those and if still no results, go directly to the school board and demand that the situation be taken care of. Should the board not respond, and you know that they have not complied with the law then you can place a complaint with the Board of Education at the state level.
Check out those packets that come home each year. They are the rules that will help you understand your rights and their rights. But, keep in mind that not all student records are disclosable by law. Approach them with an attitude of cooperation but be firm in your request. There is nothing wrong with speaking with the superintendent. As with most things, there is usually a miscommunication of some sort that has occurred. Good luck...get that policy, that is your ticket.
Marlene
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pmarlene
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Joined: 14/February/2008 Location: United States Posts: 21 |
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Posted: 21/July/2009 at 7:03pm |
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Depending on the situation...if it clear that they have violated the public records act you can file a complaint with the district attorney's office. The violation goes to the Brown Act and the DA monitors that aspect. Be sure though that you know for certain that the records requested are really for public consumption. You can find out which ones are by reading that portionof the Brown Act. It is clearly defined. As a side comment, Terry Francke has an excellent book that explains the Brown Act and many other things and in it is a complete explanation about public records. If you can't resolve a records request through the procedures and want to file a complaint with the DA be prepared for a very long wait for them to get to your complaint.
Marlene
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PeterAttwood
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Joined: 03/January/2009 Location: Chino Posts: 4 |
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Posted: 22/July/2009 at 7:59am |
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Yes, what we're allowed is just the issue. So in my upcoming DP I subpoenaed what they don't want to produce, since it will disclose how they planned the phony 5150 they did to force him onto psychotropic drugs. So their attorney moved to quash, and I opposed, and the ALJ denied their motion, without prejudice so they can fix and refile, but they don't dare.
Districts hide records all the time, especially when they shouldn't be allowed to, that is, when they're hiding abuse. And CDE is lethargic about enforcement. I'm waiting now for FPCO. But we need sanctions, real consequences, when they hide records, and then we'll have a lot less abuse - like my kid whose abuse by Chino Vally USD has left him getting no school at all for over two years. www.peterattwood,net |
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pmarlene
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Posted: 22/July/2009 at 8:13am |
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The reason consequences never happen is because very people demand that something different happens. If we held our elected officials accountable and didn't elect them again, we could get back some power. I am afraid our own lethargy is the greater fault. Few want to step to the plate and many believe that someone else will do it for them.
I find it utterly frustrating that we have gotten to where are. Make your situation an issue, Peter. No one will advocate for children if we don't do it. Good luck.
Marlene
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